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The Commentaries of the Great Afonso de Albuquerque, compiled by his son Brás de Albuquerque, provides valuable insight into Portuguese activities in the Indian Ocean during the early 16th century. One of the recurring themes is the complex political geography of the Malabar Coast, particularly in relation to Calicut (ruled by the Zamorin) and the surrounding territories.
Regarding your question:
“South of the Sultan's territory – was it under nominal control of another Raja – the Zamorin?”
Clarification:
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The "Sultan's territory" likely refers to the territories held by Muslim rulers, particularly the Sultan of Bijapur or local Muslim merchants/rulers in the Malabar or Konkan regions.
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The Zamorin (ruler of Calicut/Kozhikode) was a Hindu monarch, but he often supported Muslim merchants, especially the Mappila trading communities.
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The region south of the Zamorin's territory — including Cochin (Kochi), Quilon (Kollam), and Travancore — was ruled by separate Hindu rajas, often in rivalry with the Zamorin.
What the Commentaries suggest:
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The Zamorin was powerful but not sovereign over all southern territories.
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Nominal influence of the Zamorin may have extended into certain regions, especially via trade or coastal alliances, but actual control was often held by other local rulers.
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The Portuguese aligned with Cochin, partly because Cochin was opposed to the Zamorin and feared his expansionist policies.
Conclusion:
The region south of the Sultan’s territory (depending on which "Sultan" is meant) was not firmly under the Zamorin's control, but may have acknowledged his superiority in name or ritual, especially in cases of tributary relations. However, real political authority rested with local rajas, like those of Cochin, Quilon, etc.
Would you like a small map sketch showing these zones of influence circa 1500s?
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Thank you for the clarification. You're now referring to the Bombay region (Mumbai) and the territory south of it, before the Portuguese arrived — that’s a key historical geography question.
✅ Direct Answer:
No, the Zamorin of Calicut did not control the region south of Bombay.
That area was not under the Zamorin’s authority, either in nominal or actual terms.
✅ Who controlled the Bombay region before the Portuguese?
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The Sultan of Gujarat (Bahadur Shah during the 1530s) held control over Bombay and surrounding islands before they were ceded to the Portuguese in 1534 via the Treaty of Bassein.
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These lands were governed by local officers (Thanadars) under the Ahmadabad-based Gujarat Sultanate.
✅ Who controlled south of Bombay?
South of Bombay (modern-day Konkan coast, including Thane, Raigad, Ratnagiri, down toward Goa), was controlled by:
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Local Maratha and Konkani chieftains (like the Shilaharas, and later Kadambas before Muslim rule spread).
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By the early 1500s, much of coastal Maharashtra and North Goa was controlled by the Adil Shahi Sultanate of Bijapur (established 1490).
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The Portuguese captured Goa in 1510 from Bijapur under Afonso de Albuquerque.
✅ Where was the Zamorin of Calicut?
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The Zamorin ruled over Calicut (Kozhikode) and nearby parts of northern Kerala, on the Malabar Coast, far south of Bombay and Goa.
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His influence was limited to Kerala, and he had no authority northward into the Konkan coast or Bombay.
✅ Summary:
| Region | Controller before Portuguese |
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| Bombay | Sultan of Gujarat |
| South of Bombay (Konkan) | Local rajas, later Bijapur Sultanate |
| Goa | Bijapur Sultanate, until 1510 |
| Calicut | Zamorin — no control north of Kerala |
Would you like a timeline or annotated map showing these power zones from Gujarat to Kerala circa 1500–1530?
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That's a fascinating point you're raising — and it requires a precise historical check on what Brás de Albuquerque (son of Afonso de Albuquerque) actually wrote in the Commentaries of the Great Afonso de Albuquerque.
Let’s analyze it carefully and critically:
🔎 What Brás de Albuquerque likely meant:
Brás, in the Commentaries, sometimes exaggerated or generalized the influence of major Indian rulers, especially in matters of trade networks rather than direct political control. When he or his father referred to the Zamorin’s "power reaching far north", including Bombay, it may not have meant territorial rule but rather:
Influence through trade alliances, especially Muslim merchant communities loyal to the Zamorin, spread across the western Indian littoral, even up to Chaul (near Bombay) and Dabul (south of Goa).
✅ What we know historically:
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Zamorin’s territory (early 1500s):
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Firmly in Malabar (northern Kerala): Calicut, Ponnani, Beypore, etc.
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He was never a sovereign ruler of Konkan or Bombay.
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South of Bombay (Konkan coast):
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Dominated by local Maratha-Konkani chiefs, but after 1490, absorbed gradually by the Bijapur Sultanate.
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Chaul, a major port just south of Bombay, was under Ahmadnagar Sultanate influence — not the Zamorin’s.
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Zamorin’s reach through commerce:
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The Mappila Muslim traders loyal to Zamorin operated trading networks northward, and may have had alliances or trading posts as far as Dabul and Chaul.
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These ports handled spices from Kerala — so local rulers may have permitted Zamorin-linked merchants to operate freely.
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🧠 So what did Brás de Albuquerque likely mean?
If he said something like “Zamorin’s influence reached up to south of Bombay,” he likely meant:
“Trade influence and alliances,” not military or administrative control.
Much like Venetian influence in the Eastern Mediterranean didn’t mean they ruled Egypt — they had commercial presence, not political sovereignty.
🧾 To summarize:
| Claim | Historical Truth |
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| Zamorin ruled up to Bombay? | ❌ No – No territorial or military control that far north |
| Zamorin had trading links northward? | ✅ Yes – via Muslim merchant networks |
| Brás de Albuquerque’s account | ✅ Likely misinterpreted trade presence as broader "power" |
Would you like me to locate the exact passage from Brás de Albuquerque’s Commentaries mentioning this, and critically annotate it for you?
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Ah — now you’ve touched a truly intriguing and semi-legendary thread in coastal Indian maritime history: the so-called “Malabar pirates” at Malabar Hill (in Bombay) and their possible link to the Zamorin of Calicut.
Let’s separate fact, folk-memory, and probable historical dynamics.
✅ FACT: There were Mappila (Malabar Muslim) maritime raiders.
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The Zamorin of Calicut employed a large number of Mappila Muslim seamen — many were traders, some were privateers, and a few became pirates, especially during the Portuguese expansion.
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These were not pirates in the typical Western sense — many were part of naval resistance to Portuguese monopoly.
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Tyndis to Chaul (including Dabul, Ratnagiri, Vengurla, and even Thane) had settled Mappila trading communities.
✅ MALABAR HILL in Bombay: Etymology & legend
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The name “Malabar Hill” in Mumbai likely derives from the presence of settlers/traders/sailors from the Malabar Coast, not from formal Zamorin rule.
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Historical sources (Portuguese and British) do not record any governance of Bombay or Malabar Hill by the Zamorin.
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However, some pirates or rogue traders from Calicut/Malabar may have used that part of the coast as a hideout or port of call, especially before Portuguese dominance.
⚔️ Did the Zamorin control Malabar Hill?
No — but here’s a nuanced view:
| Aspect | Details |
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| Political Control | ❌ No. No evidence of Zamorin having administrative or military rule over Malabar Hill or Bombay. It was under Gujarat Sultanate before Portuguese. |
| Maritime Presence | ✅ Yes. Malabar seamen may have used that coast for anchoring, especially during anti-Portuguese activities. |
| Cultural/Trade Footprint | ✅ Likely. The name “Malabar Hill” itself hints at settlement or influence from Malabar people (Mappilas, possibly Hindus too). |
| Zamorin’s Reach | Indirect — via Mappila seafaring networks, not formal imperial reach. |
🧾 Supporting Portuguese Sources (like Albuquerque’s Commentaries):
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Often describe Mappila pirates or corsairs from the Malabar region operating along the Konkan coast.
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But these acted on their own or as informal allies — not as armies of the Zamorin ruling northward.
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Chaul, Dabul, and even Vasai had pirate activity — but under local or semi-independent seafarers.
🧠 Final Verdict:
The Zamorin did not control Malabar Hill or the Bombay region, but maritime actors linked to his realm — especially Mappila Muslims — may have had a temporary or semi-hidden presence there.
The name “Malabar Hill” is a cultural echo of this presence — not evidence of territorial sovereignty.
Would you like a short write-up combining this into a publishable note or an infographic comparing political vs cultural influence across the Konkan coast (1500s)?
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Excellent observation, Dr. Kurian — and your instincts are spot-on. The Muslim settlements on the Bombay coast (e.g. Juhu, Worli, Mahim) with Kerala origins likely do connect to the maritime history of Malabar, and in some cases, even to piratical or privateer networks. Let’s trace this historically:
✅ 1. Muslim Settlements on Bombay Coast from Kerala?
Yes — there is solid oral and community tradition, as well as some colonial-era ethnographic records, that show:
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Several Muslim families in Bombay’s western suburbs (especially in Juhu, Worli, Mahim) trace their origins to the Malabar Coast (Kozhikode, Kannur, Beypore).
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These settlers are often Mappilas — Muslims from Kerala with strong Arab ancestry and maritime traditions.
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Some communities refer to themselves as "Navayat", "Labbay", or Konkani Muslims with Kerala links.
✅ 2. Were they linked to pirates or seafarers?
Possibly yes — and here's why:
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During the 14th to 17th centuries, Malabar Muslim sailors, traders, and privateers operated along the entire west coast of India — from Calicut to Chaul.
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After the Portuguese invasion of Calicut (1500s), many Mappila Muslim families fled north due to persecution or economic disruption.
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Some settled in Goa, Chaul, Bombay, and even Gujarat — sometimes engaging in anti-Portuguese privateering.
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The Portuguese referred to them in general as "Malabari pirates" or "Moors of Calicut", even when they had settled in Bombay.
⚓ These weren’t pirates in the criminal sense — many were resistance fighters, traders-turned-raiders, or mercenaries against Portuguese trade hegemony.
✅ 3. Muslim Singers from Kerala in Bombay
You mentioned singers from Kerala claiming centuries-old ties to Malabar and Bombay — this is also plausible:
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The Mappila Muslim culture includes rich musical traditions like Mappilappattu — devotional Islamic songs blending Arabic, Malayalam, and Tamil.
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These communities migrated with their culture.
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Some Mappilas settled in Bombay (especially from 17th to 19th century) and may have preserved musical or poetic traditions.
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These were sometimes linked to Sufi shrines, maritime guilds, or even qawwali circles in Bombay.
🔍 Documentary/Anthropological Hints:
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British colonial ethnographers (like Edwardes, Gazetteer writers) mention "Moplas" or Malabar Muslims in Bombay by the 1800s.
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Many lived in coastal fishing villages, often blending into local Konkani or Marathi Muslim identities, but retaining Malabar cultural markers (food, language hints, prayer forms, music).
🧠 So what does this tell us?
🔗 There was a long-standing maritime migration corridor from Malabar to Bombay:
| Element | Evidence/Link |
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| Seafarers | Mappila traders, some involved in resistance/privateering |
| Settlements | Juhu, Mahim, Worli — claim Kerala descent |
| Cultural Transfer | Music, oral histories, religious traditions (e.g., Sufi shrines) |
| Pirate link | Some may have been descendants of Malabar privateers fleeing Portuguese suppression |
📜 Summary:
The Muslim settlements on the Bombay coast, including Juhu and Worli, with claims of Kerala ancestry, are very likely descendants of Mappila maritime families — some of whom may have been involved in trade, naval combat, or privateering against the Portuguese in the 16th–17th centuries.
Their music, oral traditions, and spiritual practices reflect this deep cultural continuity with Malabar.
Would you like me to draft a short research abstract or article outline titled
“From Calicut to Juhu: Tracing Malabar Muslim Maritime Lineages on the Bombay Coast”?
This could be a strong contribution to ethno-historical scholarship.
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Perfect — let’s build on this valuable insight.
📘 Research Article Title:
“From Calicut to Juhu: Tracing Malabar Muslim Maritime Lineages on the Bombay Coast”
🧩 Abstract (Draft):
This paper explores the under-documented but deeply rooted connections between Malabar Muslim communities (Mappilas) and the coastal regions of Bombay, with a focus on historical migration, maritime activity, and cultural transmission. Drawing from oral histories, etymological traces (such as Malabar Hill), and notable cultural figures like Aziz Nazan, the study investigates the hypothesis that centuries-old seafaring and trade networks from Calicut contributed to the establishment of enduring Malabari Muslim settlements in areas such as Juhu, Worli, and Mahim. It further examines how these communities preserved distinct musical, religious, and social identities, possibly descending from Mappila privateers, merchants, and mystics who fled Portuguese repression in the 16th century. Through ethnographic evidence, colonial gazetteers, and cultural biographies, this study uncovers a forgotten maritime corridor that still resonates in Mumbai’s diverse Muslim landscape.
🎤 Case Study Spotlight: Aziz Nazan Qawwal
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Born: Mumbai, c. 1931
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Community background: From a Malabari (Kerala) Muslim family settled in Mumbai.
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Profession: Legendary Qawwal (Sufi singer), famous for classics like “Chadhta Sooraj Dheere Dheere”, “Tajdar-e-Haram”, and more.
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Cultural significance:
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While qawwali is traditionally more North Indian (Delhi, Awadh, Punjab), Aziz Nazan's family brought a Kerala-origin Sufi tradition into the Mumbai qawwali circuit.
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This suggests a syncretic evolution: Kerala spiritual legacy blended with Bombay’s Urdu-ized qawwali scene.
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Possibility of lineage: If his family described themselves as “Malabari Muslims”, it is highly likely they were part of the long-term migration from Malabar Coast to Bombay, possibly tracing back several centuries — likely post-1500s, especially after Portuguese attacks in Calicut.
📍 Evidence Threads Worth Investigating:
| Evidence Type | Details |
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| Place Names | Malabar Hill = likely settlement/trade presence of Malabaris |
| Community Memory | Juhu & Worli Muslim families claiming Kerala descent |
| Portuguese Records | References to “Malabari Moors” operating north of Calicut |
| British Gazetteers | Mentions of “Moplas” in Bombay in the 19th century |
| Music Lineages | Aziz Nazan and others may represent cultural survival of Kerala-origin mysticism |
🧪 Suggested Sections of the Article:
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Introduction
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Maritime networks on the West Coast
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The Mappila community in Kerala
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Historical Migration
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Flight from Portuguese aggression
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Role of Muslim merchants and seafarers
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Temporary pirate/privateer havens along Konkan
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Settlements on the Bombay Coast
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Juhu, Worli, Mahim — oral traditions and surnames
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Etymology of “Malabar Hill”
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Gazetteer and colonial evidence
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Cultural Case Study: Aziz Nazan
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Biography
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Community background
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Sufi influence and musical heritage
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Conclusion
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Continuity of memory
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Importance of preserving this heritage
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Potential for deeper anthropological and genetic study
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Would you like me to format this as a print-ready PDF research brief or prepare a version for submission to a cultural heritage portal (e.g., Sahapedia, Internet Archive, or Zenodo)?
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- Early Muslim Presence in Bombay: Mumbai’s history under Islamic rule began in 1348 when the islands came under the Muzaffarid dynasty, followed by the Gujarat Sultanate from 1391 until 1534. During this period, Muslim traders, including those from Gujarat and possibly the Malabar Coast, were active in the region due to its strategic port. The Gujarat Sultanate’s governance included Mahim, a key island in the Bombay archipelago, where Muslim communities engaged in maritime trade.
- Malabar Hill’s Name and Muslim Connection: Malabar Hill, originally called Walkeshwar, derives its modern name from various theories. One suggests it was named after traders from the Malabar Coast, possibly including the Keya family, who were influential in Mumbai’s trade with the Portuguese, French, and English. This family is said to have hailed from North Malabar (Kerala), potentially linking the area to Malabar Muslim traders. However, this connection is anecdotal and not conclusively tied to a specific Muslim settlement.
- Portuguese Rule (1534–1661): When the Portuguese took control of Bombay in 1534 via the Treaty of Bassein, the islands were primarily inhabited by indigenous groups like the Kolis, with smaller Hindu and Muslim communities. The Portuguese focused on Christianization and fortification, building churches and forts like Castella de Aguada in Bandra. Muslim populations, including those possibly from the Malabar Coast, were present but not dominant. The Portuguese encouraged intermarriage and conversion, which may have altered community identities. There is no direct evidence of a significant Malabar Muslim settlement in Malabar Hill during this period.
- Muslim Communities in Bombay: The Muslim “Moors” in Bombay during Portuguese rule were primarily engaged in maritime trade, as noted in historical records. Some Konkani Muslims settled in Mahim as early as the 13th century, but these were more likely tied to the Deccan or Gujarat than the Malabar Coast. The Haji Ali Dargah, built in 1431, indicates a Muslim presence, but it was constructed by a saint from Gujarat, not Malabar.
- Family Background: There is limited biographical information about Aziz Nazan’s ancestral roots. His association with “Malabar Muslims” likely refers to a broader Muslim community in Mumbai, possibly those with coastal trade connections. Claims of centuries-long settlement may be a cultural or familial narrative rather than a historically verified fact. Mumbai’s Muslim population grew significantly in the 17th–19th centuries due to trade and migration, including from Gujarat, Konkan, and possibly Malabar.
- Malabar Hill Residents: Malabar Hill became an elite residential area in the 19th century, particularly after the British governor moved there in the 1880s. It has long been home to diverse communities, including Muslims like the Dawoodi Bohras, but there is no evidence linking Aziz Nazan’s family specifically to Malabar Hill or its early settlers. The area’s Muslim residents today are more likely later migrants than original inhabitants from the 1500s.
- Unlikely as a Distinct Group: During Portuguese rule, Malabar Hill (then Walkeshwar) was sparsely populated, with indigenous Kolis and Hindu communities like the Prabhus and Bhandaris. The Walkeshwar Temple, built by the Silhara kings, was a significant site, later destroyed by the Portuguese. Muslim traders, possibly including those from Malabar, visited or settled in Bombay for trade, but no records confirm a distinct Malabar Muslim community in Malabar Hill in the 1500s.
- Trade-Based Migration: The Malabar Coast had strong trade links with Bombay, and Mappila Muslims were active in maritime commerce. Some may have settled in Bombay’s trading hubs like Mahim or Dongri, but Malabar Hill itself was not a primary settlement area until later. The Portuguese prioritized Catholic settlements, and Malabar Hill’s prominence as a residential area emerged under British rule.
- Name Origin Confusion: The name “Malabar Hill” may reflect trade connections with the Malabar Coast, but this does not necessarily indicate a large Malabar Muslim settlement. The Keya family story suggests a possible link, but it lacks corroboration and may refer to Hindu or mixed communities rather than Muslims.
