Today in Gosport’s Past:- on 12 October 1817, HMS “Trincomalee” was launched in the Wadia Shipyards, Bombay, India. After completion, she sailed to Portsmouth, arriving on 30 April 1819. £2,400 was spent on fitting out, then the ship was placed ‘in ordinary’, meaning the masts were removed, and the deck was roofed over until such time as she was required.
In 1829 she was
recoppered below the waterline to prevent damage; this was repeared in 1845, at which time some alterations were made to the stern, and the number of guns was reduced, although these were more powerful.
On 21 September 1847, HMS “Trincomalee” was finally commissioned for the first time since her launching 30 years previous. After a fairly colourful naval career of 10 years, “Trincomalee” returned to Chatham on 5 September 1857, and was soon demasted, and once again placed ‘in ordinary’.
In January 1861, the ship was towed to Sunderland to act as a tender for the drill ship HMS “Castor”, seeing use for the first time as a training ship. In 1862, she was moved to West Hartlepool, and used there as a training ship until January 1873, but had been re-gunned and roofed over in April 1870.
Recommissioned in January 1873, and taken to Southampton Water for use as a drill ship. After being fitted with a new top deck and galley in 1881, she was replaced by HMS “Medea” taking over the role in 1895, and ‘reduced to reserve’, and it was proposed to use her as a depot ship; however, this never happened, and she was sold for scrap in May 1897 to J Read, in
Portsmouth. This is where fate takes a hand, and Gosport starts to feature vaguely in the ship’s history.
Since 1862, HMS “Foudroyant” (launched 1798) had been in use as a gunnery training ship at Devonport (Plymouth), and was sold for scrap to the same J Read in Portsmouth in January 1892, thence to a German shipbreakers.
Due to a public fuss, Wheatley Cobb immediately purchased “Foudroyant” for use as a training ship again. To offset the £20,000 cost of refitting etc, the ship was exhibited at a number of British seaside resorts, and on 16 June 1897, at Blackpool, bad weather proceeded to wreck the ship, which ended up on Blackpool beach, after first damaging the North Pier.
It just so happens that “Trincomalee” was still in the same scrapyard, and Wheatley Cobb jumped at the chance to replace “Foudroyant”, and rescued “Trincomalee”, which was taken to Cowes, fitted with a new poop deck, and moved to Falmouth in 1902, and repainted.
In 1903 she was renamed TS “Foudroyant” after the training ship she had replaced, and remained in the role at Falmouth until 1927, when she was moved to Milford Haven. In 1932, Wheatley Cobb died, and his widow donated the ship to.the Society for Nautical Research, who moved both TS “Foudroyant” and HMS/TS “Implacable” to Gosport in 1932.
The two ships were moored stem to stern near Hardway(as far as I can tell) as training ships, and were used as stores during the early years of WW2; both were recommissioned in 1943 as a single unit – HMS “Foudroyant”.
After the war, both resumed their training function, but in December 1949, despite a public outcry, “Implacable” was towed out to sea near Ventnor on 2 December 1949, and blown up.
“Implacable” was Britain’s oldest floating warship at the time, having been captured from the French a week after the battle of Trafalgar. TS “Foudroyant” continued as a training ship off Haslar, then off Rat Island, until 1987, when she was transported by ship to Hartlepool, where full restoration begain in 1990, and renamed HMS “Trincomalee” in 1992.
She is still afloat (the second oldest ship afloat in the world), although rather a prisoner, considered far too valuable to be exposed to sea conditions. Only the USS “Constitution” is older and still floats, and “Trincomalee” looks splendid nowadays, just not in Gosport…. Credits to original photographers.Last week I took a trip to Hartlepool to see what the shipwrights up there had done to what was the Foudroyant.
As most of you will know, the Foudroyant was moored up in Portsmouth Harbour for years and was used to train youngsters in the way of the sea.
Launched in Bombay, India in October 1817s the HMS Trincomalee, the ship cost £23,000 to build and was sailed to Ports mouth Dockyard, arriving on April 30, 1819. The long journey cost the equivalent of £6,600 and the ship was eventually put into reserve until 1845.
She later did stirling work in the Americas in an anti-slavery role and also served in the Pacific.
Sold for scrap in 1897, she was saved by George Cobb who renamed her Foudroyant after a former ship that was lost in 1897.
Eventually she became a little too tired and, being considered a potential liability, was taken out of service in 1986.
A trust was formed to save the historic old ship once more, led in part by Reg Betts, the then defence correspondent of The News, which aimed to preserve the ship and bring her back to her former glory.
This was accomplished and now she is technically the oldest ship afloat because the HMS Victory still lies in dry dock.
All I can say is fantastic. As you know, the men of the town took over the ship and rebuilt her. From talking to the locals, I know they were not best pleased to lose her after all the work they did.
I must admit that walking around the ship was a joy. She has a ‘lived in’ feel about her, unlike the Victory which is a little too clinical and smart I feel.
There are men in hammocks and a cook in the galley (all mannequins of course) but they are all very lifelike.
I know it is a long way to travel, but if you are ever on holiday up that way do go and have a visit. You will not regret it. I will include a couple more photographs of the ship on Monday.
Appeal to trace HMS Trincomalee's missing history - BBC News
A missing piece in the history of the world's oldest afloat warship is the subject of a new appeal.
HMS Trincomalee - built in India in 1817 - is berthed at Hartlepool's Maritime Experience where it has been a tourist attraction for nearly 30 years.
A historian from Teesside University now wants to uncover a missing part of the warship's past when it operated as the training ship, Foudroyant.
It is hoped people's stories and memories will "bring its past to life".image copyrightTeesside University library archives
Industrialist Geoffrey Wheatley Cobb bought Trincomalee in 1897 and converted it for training use.
She was renamed Foudroyant in tribute to his own ship which had been wrecked in a storm off Blackpool that same year.
Academic Dr Ben Roberts has uncovered the ships' factual history but now hopes to trace trainees who were sent from across the country to spend time on the vessel between the early 1900s and the mid-1980s.
He said: "While we know much about the ship's early days and also its restoration, we know little about the people who spent time as trainees on her during the 90-year period when she was known as TS Foudroyant.
"We have information from ships' logs and other archival details, but I now need people to tell their stories to bring the information from the archives to life.
"Their stories will provide a missing piece of the ship's history. There are many photographs from that time too, but no names to go with them."
The vessel spent its time in Falmouth, Milford Haven and Portsmouth, remaining in service until 1986.
The ship was brought to Hartlepool in 1987, where it took more than 10 years to restore. It reverted to the original Trincomalee name in 1992.
The research is being carried out in conjunction with the HMS Trincomalee Trust.
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"Launch of the 'Meanee', 80 guns, at Bombay," from the Illustrated London News, 1849
so looting India was direct and indirect